Opposition to ITV

#497: - Re: we discuss the tv issue my muslima darling

Sorry... does not make sense what you say for the following reassons: (1) You shamelessly called Muslima "darling". By all means go and call your granny like that. Islam does not permit such flattering words for strangers. (2) My pointing your evil out to you, is for the sake of Allahs' Deen which teaches us to exercise shame which is half of our Imaan.(3) I do not flirt with ladies like the Radio Islam molvies. To the very contrary I stand up for them against scoundrels such as you who without first veryfying whether they old or young, or whether they mind or not, go about calling them "darling".  If you man enough you will apologise not only to Muslima, but to all the ladies for treating them like some prostitutes who can be called "my darling".  I personally don;t think that you will, though i do make Du'a that you do so.

#501: zeyaad - Re: Re: we discuss the tv issue my muslima darling This petition is supposed to be used for ITV not flirting and calling darlings!it just shows how corrupted some peoples minds are, we are fighting to protect Allahs deen!

MR Zain it seems that you dont know what this petition is for......'WELL'it is a petition of opposition to ITV..

LEAVE ALL YOUR FLIRTING, AND FIGHT FOR ALLAHS DEEN IT WILL BENIFIT YOU MORE!!

#503: MR BUM SOLLY RAVAT N MAKE RAMADAAN A JOKE WITH LAUGHTER - MR BUM MR SOLLY RAVAT N SWEET VOICE RADIO DEVVVVIL THEY TEACHING OTHERS TO DO THE SAME LOOK AT MR ZAIN...WHERE IS HIS BRAINS NOT ON ITVS WRONG, BUT FLIRTING WITH WOMAN..........MAY ALLAH SAVE US...AMEEN

Subhaanallah. Shaytan has managed to divert everyones attention from the topic of the discussion!

Back to the itv issue. I want to ask the radio islaam molvies a question: When it was the chicken issue they kept on harping, especially ml navlakhi that ''WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE MAJORITY OF ULAMA IN SOUTH AFRICA.'' Now when its the MAJORITY of ulama in south africa against ITV, wheres that rule gone to? It just shows that they just use whatever suits them, even if they contradict themselves badly - like in this case.

#505: Trying to work it out. - What about MAJORITY of ulama? now the new rule is 99 % of people have tv thats what they say now! tv' halaal'...astgfirullah...

#508: Qasim Bin Abdulla - And It Happens Yet Again!!!

And the MJC and UCSA expects us to trust with their promises of "we will do our best" in regards to the MMB Bill! They can't even control a simple labelling process. Can u imagine ther havoc they are going to cause in the marriages and Nikaahs?

#510: -They r called ulloomiya

#503: MR BUM SOLLY RAVAT N MAKE RAMADAAN A JOKE WITH LAUGHTER - MR BUM MR SOLLY RAVAT N SWEET VOICE RADIO DEVVVVIL

where thers bum. thers s h one t

Better if this thread gets closed (if thats possible?). Its obvious that people have said all they wanted to and now, 1 or 2 of them are just using this forum to vent their anger and display the terrible akhlaaq which they have.

#517: -

The petition IS closed. It clearly states that this petition has been closed by its author. Try signing your name and see.

#520: - sorry then!!!

they were raving about 'dont condone, dont condemn' then they were going on about their view being a result of 'divergent views of our senior ulama' and also 'we must be open minded' and 'we must respect ALL the ulama and their views' and 'we mustnt be one tracked' .....

and now, when this molana wanted to give a bayaan about TV ion our masjid, this jamiat fan molvi refused...

why are they so scared.... wheres the tolerance?

we need to kick this imaam out of our masjid. he doesnt deserve to stand on that musalla!

is the jamiats every word taken like 'wahy' by these fans?

(by the way, the ustadhs of this imaam -all of them- includind the principal of his darul uloom, the grand mufti and the shaykhul hadeeth have openly spoken against this haraam tv, but this 'grand student' of theirs is so scared to allow and aali to come and speak for 20 minutes in his masjid,,, and proclaim the haq!!!

#518: -

THE TV MAY NOT BE USED TO PROPOGATE DEEN

The final bayaan of Hazrat Mowlana Yusuf Binnori (rahmatullaahi ‘alayh)

Dhul Qa’dah 1397 A.H. (36 years ago)

Deen may not be promoted or spread by using those means and methods which the Shari’at has declared impermissible

Hazrat Mufti Taqi Uthmani Saheb, after penning the following incident, writes:

“These last advices of Hazrat Binnori (rahmatullaahi ‘alayh) should be inscribed on the heart of every person involved in propagating and spreading Deen.”

A few days before his demise, Mowlana Binnori (rahmatullaahi ‘alayh) attended a meeting of the Islamic Advisory Council in Islamabad.

On the second day of the meeting, some people approached Mowlana, requesting him to deliver a bayaan (lecture) which would be broadcasted on television. Mowlana politely excused himself and did not accede to their request.

This then led to the question of whether television, videos, etc. should be used for the sake of spreading and propagating Deen, if it is kept free from immodesty, shamelessness and other such elements which negatively affect peoples’ character. Although not on the agenda of the meeting, this topic was unofficially being discussed.

The crux of what Mowlana Binnori (rahmatullaahi ‘alayh) said on this occasion is as follows:

I would like to mention one important usool (principle) regarding the topic under discussion.

Allah Ta’ala has not made us mukallaf (duty bound) to use any and every means possible, in order to bring people onto Deen.

Yes, we have most definitely been made mukallaf (duty bound) to use the various permissible means and methods of propagating Deen at our disposal.

Together with commanding us to propagate and spread Deen, Islam has shown us the method and aadaab (etiquette) of propagating Deen as well.

We are mukallaf (duty bound) to propagate Deen, but within the confines of those methods and aadaab.

If we, by adopting the permissible methods and means of propagating Deen, achieve our goals and objectives, then well and good. But, supposingly, if we adopt the permissible means and methods, and by so doing, we do not achieve our goals, then we have not been made mukallaf to adopt those methods and means declared impermissible by Shari’at, just for the sake of propagating the message of Deen and winning people over to our side.

If by adopting those methods and means which Shari’at has permitted, together with the aadaab of propagation, only one person is brought onto Deen, then our propagation efforts have been successful.

On the other hand, if, by adopting those methods and means which are declared impermissible by Shari’at, even a hundred people are affected and won over, then this ‘success’ or ‘achievement’ holds no value in the sight of Allah Ta’aala, because that propagation which entails trampling upon the laws of Deen, can never be the propagation of Deen, but rather it is propagation of something else.

Videos and films are in itself against the laws of Islam, therefore we have not been made mukallaf (commanded) of using it for the propagation of Deen.

We will extend our heart and soul for those who are prepared to listen to our Da’wat through the correct and permissible means, but as for those who are only prepared to listen to our Da’wat if it is done via those means and methods which are not permissible, like videos and films, then we are ma’zoor (excused) from conveying the message to such persons in such a manner.

If we do not adopt this stance which has been explained, then today, for the sake of the people, we will be using films to propagate Deen, tomorrow women without pardah/hijaab will be used for spreading Deen, and we will try to bring people onto Deen through gatherings of music and dancing…and in this way, in the name of propagating Deen, we will be trampling upon and destroying the laws of Shariat, one by one.

[Adapted from Ulama-e-deoband kê aakhree lamahaat pg.170/171]

#522: can you get more stibborn than this - see what ml bhams senior says: ml binnori was the rector of the darul uloom he studied at in karachi

if this is his ustad and principal and senior, than he really got guts to openly oppose such a great man.

i wonder who's more learned, the teacher or student?

#521: jamiat fan - jamiat molana scared for bayan in his masjid!!!

give that molvi a boot on his backside... so adamant on his baatil

#524: boot them - Re: jamiat molana scared for bayan in his masjid!!!

i agree. not deserving to stand for a moment on that musallah.

i wonder if his principal , shaykulhadeeth and grand mufti ask him to speak in his mosque what will he say...

sometimes i feel, these new molvis are such they'll tell all their seniors to go and fly kite.???

thats my experience